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I would really like more people from the US, Canada, Australia and other English-speaking countries who play tambura and like tambura music, but don't speak (write) Croatian very well to join this forum and its discussions. I am well aware of the fact that there already exists a forum and a website that's meant for all this. www.tamburaland.com I'm a proud member of tamburaland's forum and have a small role in helping Vjeko with that site and don't want to create some kind of a rivalry, I just want to unite all tamburasi and tambura music lovers. I hope that you'll understand that. I've noticed that the discussions on T'land have grown stale and here we have quite a number of interesting threads and discussions. It would be interesting what people in other countries think about that.
If there's any interest in all this, I think that we can create some kind of an English subforum where we could exchange opinions. I'm sure a lot of Croatian members of this forum are proficient in English and would gladly join these discussions.
Mislim da je to bezveze, imaju oni svoj forum na tamburalandu na kojem se prica o svemu, samo o tamburi ne..ne zelim da se to desi i ovdje, a mislim da bi se tako razvijala situacija da krenes sa engleskim podforumom..
I am very well aware of that fact, but jebiga :D Sad ozbiljno, činjenica je da tamburaland forum nažalost nema previše veze s tamburom, ali bilo je tamo zanimljivih diskusija i vjerujem da tamo ima tamburaša koji bi rado diskutirali o tamburi i stvarima vezano za tamburu, a i reci mi zar ne bi bilo zgodno da recimo Peter Kosovec dođe i na ovaj forum pa da možemo malo s njime prodiskutirati...? Treba vidjet ak ima interesa...
Bilo je zanimljivih diskusija, prije 2 godine..sad se to pretvorilo u mjesto za cestitanje rodjendana, viceva, komentara utakmica americkog nogometa i tko zna cega jos..meni je jasno da americki hrvati moraju imati mjesto gdje ce komunicirati medjusobno i iznositi probleme zajednice, ali ne vidim kakve veze tambura ima s tim..i naravno da bi bilo zanimljivo da dodje Peter, ima jos puno zanimljivih ljudi tamo(Vjeko, Morovic...), ali mislim i dalje da ne treba previse reklamirati ovaj site tamo i da treba ljude neke drzati na distanci bas zbog toga da se ne bi ovaj forum pretvorio u onaj..toliko od mene.. :)
Dobro zboriš saky i razumijem tvoj stav, ali mislim da nema realne bojazni da će nam sad tu nahrupiti Ameri sa svojim internim spikama, ako netko slučajno i dođe bit će to netko tko je "genuinely" zainteresiran za tamburu i tamburanje. Kao primjerice naš australsko-hrvatski kolega aussie_tamburas... Ja bi svim tim ljudima tamo dao "benefit of the doubt" i vjerujem da ih ima koji stvarno vole tamburati i zabavljati se uz tambure i otvorio bih im vrata ovog foruma. Naravno, zadnju riječ ima gazda dkranjce. ;) Iako kad vidim kako je mrtvo na T'landu sumnjam da će se nešto s time dogoditi... Htio bih kada bi se SRVT malo uključio u ovaj forum, on je primaš Sanjara iz Kanade, zna hrvatski i mogao bi nam dati odličan "insight" o stanju tamburaštva u Kanadi. Bum ga probal nagovoriti...
Aussie, mogao bi se i ti malo više uključiti i podijeliti svoja australska iskustva s tamburanjem, sigurno bi mnoge to jako zanimalo, znam da je meni bilo jako zanimljivo dopisivati se s tobom o tome....
Ma nemoj me krivo shvatiti, naravno da je ok ako se ukljuce tamburasi iz Amerike , Kanade i Australije, na kraju krajeva tko im moze zabraniti :) Ionako ljudi iz tih krajeva koji imaju sta pametno za reci govore hrvatski..ja sam govorio o netamburasima i netamburasicama koji uz to sto ne pricaju hrvatski zatrpavaju forum glupostima kojima tamo nije mjesto..
Ne shvaćam te ja krivo, al' me već ozbiljno brine kak' mene dosta ljudi ovdje krivo shvaća... :(
Nego saky, kaj ćemo s brojnim English-speaking članovima koji su sad nahrupili na ovaj forum i ovu temu otkad sam je započeo....? :D
Djuroslav
13-11-2006, 16:37
Hey, I thought this was supposed to be the 'ENGLISH' discussion area?! What's up Saky & Hrvoje?
Hi, Djuroslav! I wish you a warm welcome to tambura.com.hr forum! :top: I totally gave up that someone "preko bare" is going to join this forum. So saky and I started discussing this whole idea of mine... There's a lot of really interesting discussions going on this forum, but it's a shame that it is a prerequisite to understand Croatian well to join in.
If it's not to big of a hassle, would you care to briefly introduce yourself?
Djuroslav
13-11-2006, 17:08
Thank you for the welcome, Hrvoje!
Well, first of all, I am from the United States. I live in the Detroit, Michigan area, and play bugarija with the Detroit Tamburitza Orchestra. The D.T.O. is an organization whose mission is to preserve the tradition of tambura playing. We currently have approximately 20 members (1st, 2nd, and 3rd brac players; 1st & 2nd prims, celo, bass & bugaria), and generally play compositions written for 'large' tambura orchestras. We LOVE what we do, and get together every Wednesday evening for a two-hour rehearsal during the season. Our 'season' runs from early September, until mid-May. We take the summers off, and then get together again when the weather starts to cool.
In the past, I have personally played semi-professionally with Croatian, Serbian, Romanian, and Macedonian combos so I consider myself well-versed in the many styles of music from Eastern Europe.
I have a lot more to say, but I would like to hear from my tambura friends outside of the United States.
Thanks again for attempting to have an 'English' forum on your site. I'm sure that many of us from the U.S. who are not too proficient at speaking & reading Croatian would GREATLY appreciate it, and thus begin to take part in future discussions.
By the way, how do I get my own, 'custom' avatar on your site?
Hvala,
Djuroslav :)
Djuroslav, you're our member No 99, one more to go and our membership will go triple digit! :ples: As far as I know our members are from three continents - Europe (of course), North America (you, joeleno) and Australia (aussie_tamburas). I always wondered about the tambura scene in South America - I know there's a lot of Croatians in Argentina, Chile and I once met a guy on ICQ from Chile who plays tambura in a local folklore group. It would be really nice if we can find some info about that also. And what about South Africa? Some Croatians there, too, if I'm not mistaken. I guess the only continent where tambura isn't played would be Asia (but who knows, Lado had a tour in Japan, maybe the Japanese started playing tamburas :D).
Among the discussions we're having here is one about tambura builders. Does your orchestra have European or US-made tamburas? According to your profile picture it sure looks European, but maybe I'm wrong.
I'm glad you like this idea and I hope that more people will join these English discussions. I know that people are shy if their English / Croatian is not very good, but I hope that members of this forum will overcome that irrational fear of making a mistake and then being ridiculed or something. We all make mistakes, the most important thing is that we put our message (idea) through - either in broken English or broken Croatian... :D
About custom avatars... Er... I think there's kinda of a problem with that. I'm under the impression that only administrators and moderators can have them at the moment, I'll ask our administrator Svita to have a look into it and maybe come to a solution or a definite answer what's up with that...
Hrvoje,
Stravo moj prijatel.
Glad to join the forum. I only speak a little Croatian...I was glad to see you might start this English forum. I am from Buffalo, New York...20 minutes from Niagara Falls. I have been playing brac since 1970 and e-prim since 2000. I also play berda when needed. My brother main instrument is bugaria, but he plays bass, cello, as some prim also. We have played in bands togther most of the years. We currently play in the band Adriatic Braca (Braca Adriatica - in Croation ja mislim). This current band has played at the last 6 TAA Extravaganza's in the USA.
We have relatives in Zagreb. My cousin has visited us. And my dad and uncle have been there. I would like to come and go to one of the festivals....Pozega mosda.
I look forward to hearing what my Croation tambura friends have to say or ask.
Do vidjenja. (pardon the spelling).
Hey, Rudyk! Welcome aboard, you're our 100th member! Congrats!
;);)
I hope we can all get this English thread started.... I want to ask you the same question I asked Djuroslav... What tamburas you and your guys have?
Djuroslav
13-11-2006, 20:11
Brat Hrvoje,
The members of the Detroit Tamburitza Orchestra own & play a variety of both American, and European tambure. I myself, play a Dusko Rajkovic E-bugarija with a signature 'violin shaped' back. I had majstor Rajkovic craft my instrument about three years ago, and then ship it to me here in the United States. Its finish is exquisite, and its sound is superb for a 'new' instrument. So you were certainly correct to assume that the kontra that I am holding on my profile picture 'looks European'.
On the American web-site www.tamburaland (http://www.tamburaland), we are ALL allowed to have our own custom avatars. I hope that your site will eventually allow that as well.
I welcome any other questions that you, or anyone else may have about us 'Americans' playing, and loving tambura music! I'm looking forward to hearing from you all.
Djuroslav
I figured it was a Rajkovic, but I didn't want to go ahead of myself and wanted you to confirm that yourself. :)
I PMed the founder and administrator of this site, dkranjce, about custom avatars and I believe something will be done to allow that to all members.
You mentioned that your orchestra plays compositions written for large tambura orchestras. Would you mention some? We recently received a CD of MŠTO and I like their repertoire it's got different compositions and songs like the Pink Panther theme, Moon river, Summertime, Gajdasko kolo, some Macedonian oro etc. Do you also play a varied repertoire?
Tominellay
13-11-2006, 23:19
Hi, all of you!
I am looking for the orchestral score of "Tri Ruze", by Julije Njikos...and I would appreciate any help in obtaining it!
We have a large tamburica orchestra in Los Angeles, California, based at St. Anthony Croatian Catholic Church. Our orchestra was founded in 1960 by Mr. Josip Bachmann, who was from Osijek...Mr. Bachmann was an original member of K.U.D. Pajo Kolaric in the early 1950s; he played celo with other Osijecani like Jasa Lakatos and Robert Telak before emigrating to the U.S.A. about fifty years ago...
Hi Hrvoje and friends,
I am a tamburas from San Diego, CA. I'm originally from San Francisco, CA and have been playing tambura for the past 37 years. My family roots originate from the Peljesac peninsula and I am a proud Dalmatinac but I think my heart lies in Slavonija.
There isn't a lot of tambura interest in the San Diego area but I do manage to keep abreast of tambura activity in the USA and Croatia, and I keep my tambure tuned and used despite few opportunities to play with a group.
I have been playing European-style tambure for the past 20 years. I currently play a very old and fine A-basprim made by Duro Zaric from Vinkovci. I also have an A-basprim and an E-prim made by Ivan Djuretic from Velika Gorica, and a very fine Euorpean-style celo made by the late Ivan Ovanin from Los Angeles, CA (who I believe was orginally from Sisak).
I regret that my knowledge of Croatain is limited but I look forward to seeing this English forum expanded with inputs from English-speaking Croatians as yourself.
For Tominellay: I don't have a complete score for "Tri Ruze" but, the melody line, chords and lyrics can be found in the book "Tambura u Hrvata" by Prof. Siniša Leopold on page 175. If you don't have the book I'd be happy to scan and send you a copy. Just ley me know.
Warm regards and best wishes to all.
/Ivo
Hiya imp and Tominellay and welcome to this forum and its growing English-speaking community. :top: I'm really glad that you're all interested in participating in tambura-related discussions. I also hope that Croatian members will also join in and that we'll have some interesting topics to discuss.
Tominellay, interesting that you mentioned Julije Njikos since my orchestra had the honor to have him personally present the golden plaque we won at the festival in Osijek (state competition) and he made a speech about our orchestra and tambura history. It was really a great privilege to sit there on the stage and listen to that great composer speak about us and our playing. It really made me feel proud. :)
I didn't have the opportunity to hear or listen to that composition "Tri ruze".
Our orchestra also had quite a number of Djuretic tamburas, but now we have all kinds of tamburas (and "stims" G, D, A, E)...
I have a question for you American tamburasi about American-made tamburas, they're different from European-made ones... Do you know why? I never played an American tambura, but I can tell it's American when I see one... All the decorations, butterflies and stuff. :D It's kinda too tacky and kitsch for me, but hey, if someone likes that it's cool. I guess that tambura making and decorating took a different path in America when compared to tambura making in Europe (Croatia, Vojvodina).
Hrvoje,
The Valentic Brothers (Charles and Frank) in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvainia have been making tamburas for years. I play a 1980 Charles Valentich G brac, my brother plays 2 different Charles Valentic D-bugarias and has Blozen bugaria. I also play 2 Lado Krklec prims...he is originally from the homeland...but now lives in New York City. I play one as an e-prim and one as a d-prim.
I have a question. How many tambura bands (of quality enough to play in the festivals) are there over there now ? Do more bands start up every year...is it becoming more and more popular or stays about the same ?
Rudyk, funny that you mentioned the Valentich brothers 'cause I remembered that before Tamburaland there was a website TamburaWeb that also had a discussion forum and I think that site was run by a certain John Valentich. Do you guys know something more about John Valentich and why did TamburaWeb disappear...? It was the first US tambura site I found on the web and it opened a whole new world to me. I was young and ignorant then and thought that tambura is only played in ex-YU. :D
And now about your question... It's impossible to give a correct and precise answer to your question. I'm under the impression that things for tambura music in Croatia are generally improving, new bands are formed and the quality of playing is improving. To tell you how many bands are here, that's really hard to tell. Practically every KUD has a group of tamburasi that are not neccessarily a band on it's own but usually play from good to excellent.
I remember that there was a time a few years ago when things and prospects looked very grim, but I really have an impression that things are looking up :top: (altough I'm usually more of a pessimist than an optimist :rolleyes: ).
The main problem, in my opinion, is that tambura music itself isn't evolving... Ok, I understand that it's traditional, folk music, but only a few bands mix different styles and influences with their tambura music - NHT, Gazde, Slavonske Lole (I don't know if you had the opportunity to hear their "Sve je ona meni" version performed by the mariachi band "El Combo" that's recorded on their new album "Ledina").
The other problem is that tambura is pretty absent from the media, but things are also slowly improving there. For instance, there is a TV show "Svirci moji" which is dedicated to tambura music. Its host is Tamburaski orkestar HRT-a and maestro Sinisa Leopold and sometimes the orchestra plays orchestral pieces or accompany guest singers, tambura bands, klapas appear. I didn't have the opportunity to watch it a lot (only once), but it's a nice show and a nice way of promoting tambura.
Can you tell me more about the general situation of tambura in the US?
DISCLAIMER: Everything I wrote above is my opinion, if somebody else disagrees, please join this discussion... At least saky, c'mon man... :D You were bitchin' 'bout tamburaland's forum turning into a "greetings forum" and now that we have American tamburasi interested in tambura music in Croatia on this forum you're not writing anything...
Djuroslav
15-11-2006, 13:26
Hrvoje is RIGHT, Saky! Get with it, my man. You now have four interested tambura players from the United States as members on your site, and I imagine there will be more IF you guys from Europe start to give us your valued opinions. :top:
It looks like that our man saky isn't too interested in these discussions and I guess I'll have to start a thread in Croatian to find out the reasons why other people from this forum aren't participating... Is it only their English or is there something more to it... :(
I hope that all you guys won't get disheartened by this lack of interest, 'cause I know that there's a lot of passion and love towards tambura music and Croatia in the Croatian-American society and its members.
I must tell you that I'm a little envious 'cause in America you have the opportunity to play different music (Croatian, Serbian, Macedonian, Bulgarian, Romanian bands) and our choice of ethnic music styles is pretty limited. I'm always pleasantly surprised when I find out different bands that guys from the U.S. like Peter or Marko Dreher play in. It's also interesting to hear guys that are not of Croatian descent that play tambura...
So, talking about valued opinions... I would like your valued opinions about the general tambura situation in the States and its prospects... I once found a text about Jerry Grcevich on the net where tamburica is defined (explained) as a "miniature bouzuki" :rolleyes: Do you think that tambura has any chance to come close (in terms of people recognizing the sound and shape of the instrument) to world famous string ethnic instruments like balalaika and bouzuki?
"...where tamburica is defined (explained) as a "miniature bouzuki"
I've heard even better comments ( from Britts) about the prim, like : "...cute little mandoline...", or "cute ukulelle!", so I agree with that mission of yours, Mr. Ban(Hrvouye...to complicated to pronounce...:rolleyes: )
Hrvoje,
Thanks for info on Croatian tambura.
I don't know anything about TamburaWeb .... but i remember going to it.
Tambura on the American side. You are correct, we are fortunate that we can play all types of ethnic music. But at some Croatian and Serbian events we have to be careful to only play croatian or serbian songs and kolos. Even then, i believe, its really the large number of new people that came over from Europe in the last 15 years that it bothers. Most american croatians and serbians that are 2nd and 3rd generation here don't know what country a kolo came from and have been dancing them all for years. I have just learned what kolos came from where in the past few years....now that we have to be more careful.
You could write a book on the history of American Tambura....actually I think they have been written. Maybe someone from USA can give us the titles and where to buy them.
And as for the current status ....maybe someone like John Morovich might want to answer that. He probably knows more of over all picture than I do.
You have the regular Croatian and Serbian (4-6 musician) bands. 25 of these bands play yearly at the TAA Festival. Not sure in total how many of those bands there are ...maybe 40-50 total ?
You have large Croatian adult groups that have their own festival each year...20 groups ?
I believe there are Serbian adult groups also.
There are Croatian Junior groups...their own festival also.
There are Serbian Junior groups.
And then there are all the electric bands...some 4-5 guys, some just 2 or 3.
Even I would like to know what's being played in each USA and Canadian city.(tambura verses electric). I think electric hast started to take over ...even more where there is large community that came over from Europe in the last 15 years. But there still are events that just want tambura.
Again, maybe someone else from USA and Canadacan comment on this. There's been some threads on Tamburaland regarding this...we should find these. Large number of Croatians and Serbians(i think) in Niagara Falls-Toronto region.
Well, thats all for now. Lunch is over..back to work.
Ja zelim da svarim moj tambura svaki dan i svaki noc !
You could write a book on the history of American Tambura....actually I think they have been written. Maybe someone from USA can give us the titles and where to buy them.
Hi, Rudyk, I guess I'm gonna wait to see the movie!:D Hope with Charlton Heston starring ( he was awesom in historicals!)
Until the movie, please, write down something on that issue, I'm only trying to encourage you a bit;)
Now this really sucks (and it didn't happen for the first time :angry:) - I was writing a lengthy post and then when I wanted to submit it it asked for my un and pw and then I got an "invalid thread" error and *zap* my post was gone... I usually copy it to clipboard prior to submitting it, but now I forgot to do that.... ARGH! :mad:
Ok, so I have to try and calm down...
I was writing mostly about narodnjaci (Serbian contemporary turbo folk music) that's all over Croatian discos and nightclubs and our youth (and mobsters) are goin' crazy over it. I wonder if the same (or similar) situation is in the States...?
The other part of my post was about Richard March's article My Little Global Village (selo moje malo): Contemporary Tambura Music-Making in the United States
I found a link mentioning the text - http://www.ceeol.com/aspx/issuedetails.aspx?issueid=7734e959-3ced-4edb-8995-2604dade9f3d&articleId=d38983eb-37f9-4125-9842-7d3cdb9e12c8
The description is :
The author discusses the recent technological and political changes that have influenced the tradition of tamburitza music-making in the United States. Citing concrete examples, he discusses the stylistic unification that has resulted through diminished isolation of the North American tamburitza tradition from the music's original homelands in Croatia and Vojvodina and between geographically separated American communities. He mentions improved communications owing to the availability of internet websites, message boards, music available to download or listen to on-line, also of mobile telephones, satellite television and cheaper airline travel. In addition, he discusses the indirect influences on the tamburitza scene in the Croatian- and Serbian-American communities in North America arising from the downfall of Communist governments in Europe, the establishment of an independent Croatian state and the Homeland War. He provides biographical information on and discusses the musical contributions of a few key figures in the contemporary North American tamburitza scene such as Jerry Grcevich, Vjeko Dimter, Joe Kirin and Peter Kosovec.
Keywords: tambura music-making; globalization; United States of America
Can anybody tell me more about Mr. March and his article? Thanks.
Hrvoje,
Here's the link to the complete text and author biography for "My little global village" by Richard March:
http://www.tamburaland.com/events/richardmarch1.html
Thanks for the link, imp... A great article, I don't know how I missed it before :bonk:
Djuroslav
17-11-2006, 17:09
The above referenced 'Richard March' article is a very good synopsis of the current state of Tambura music in America, and how it is evolving. After reading his presentation, I hope that our European friends get a better understanding of how we 'Americans' are playing, singing, and preserving the music of our 'homeland' here in the United States & Canada.
As far as 'Turbo-folk' music goes, Hrvoje - We tambura players here in the U.S. could care less. All of the organizations mentioned by Mr. March in his article have one common goal in mind; the playing of tambura music in the TRADITIONAL way. Although there ARE groups playing a so-called modern style, the vast majority of us want to play tambura in the 'narodna' style.
So how about recommending, or posting some nice mp3's that we might not have heard yet?
Hvala. :top:
Wow, it looks that Mr March himself has joined this message board under the nick "ozujak" :top: :D So it would be great if you would join this discussion, Gosp. Ozujak ;) Once more, a great article, I've read it for the second time and it gave me a lot of interesting information about the US tambura scene. Both it's past and present.
evo konacno malo vremena da se javim. gledam na jedno oko...skoro do kraja flase vina i mislim da vidim dvije tambura na logo www.tambura.com.hr.. oh shit, yea to su dvije tambure fakin.
Djuro! long way from home man! nice to see you bulshit malo with hrvoje and the guys here.
bok.. skoro sam pijan i idem spavat. bok!
Hey, Joe!
Evo i jednog majstora iz Chicaga ovdje... :top:
Since this is a thread about a potential English subforum I'll continue in English... Joe, hope you'll find some time to participate in this forum, its English and Croatian discussions.
Keep tamburocking, man! :cool:
So it looks that my little experiment has failed... Unfortunately the Croatian speaking majority of this forum somehow didn't find the strength, motivation and will power to participate in these discussions.
I am willing to continue the discussion, but it doesn't make a lot of sense if it's just me from the Croatian side. Oh well... The thing I'm kinda worried about is the t'land forum which is also pretty dead.
Guys, is the tambura still alive in the US?? :eek:
Guess the tambura is still alive and kickin' in the States! :D
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v90/cky2k/simo.jpg
Hrvoje,
Check tland...i sent response to your latest post.
Yes, Tland has been so quiet lately, i sometimes think people can't find it since the site was changed in the spring....but that can't have any thing to do with it.
Tambura is alive USA.
March is coming and the first TAA mid-year Extravaganza will be held in Cleveland, Ohio. It is a malo version of the yearly big festival. There are 10 bands instead of 25 bands. We are fortunate to be 1 of the 10 bands and are looking forward to it. Each band plays a 12 minute concert and at night there will be breakout rooms and a dance where 3 or 4 bands will play at a time while everyone wanders from room to room. Dobro time.
We jam in Buffalo at the Serbian Club on Friday nights....not as often as we used to. Croatian Club is on the next street over...but Serb Club has been the jamming location.
Talk more later.
Rudyk
Adriatic Braca Tamburica Orchestra
Rudyk, this Ganza and mid-year Ganza stuff sounds really cool... :cool: I hope that one day I'll have the opportunity to come to see and hear that in person. :)
I really like this Uncle Sam with a basprim pic ;)
And I'm really puzzled why is tamburaland's forum so quite lately...
Hrvoje,
to answer your question about the highly decorated American tambure...
the last I heard, at a lecture about tambure at the Detroit Extravagnaza, was that in the early part of the 20th century when many Croatian and Serbian immigrants came to America, they were very proud of their culture and their music. So to show their pride the tambure evolved into more decorative insturments. And the 2nd and third generations stuck with that. It wasn't until technology became more advanced that the styles and sounds and instruments started coming over from Europe, that the tambure in America (more so in the Croatian people) started to mimic the European style. Now you have many bands in America that play Eurpean instruments, and have moved away from the highly decorated instruments of the early immigrants.
Djuroslav, you were at that lecture playing with Kenko, when (Iforget his name) was speaking just before you played.
I'm both parts Serbian and Croatian, but the Croatian side of my family never did much that was Croatian because, unfortunately, my great grandfather didn't want to to be Croatian when he moved to America he wanted to be American, so he didn't teach the language or culture to his grand children. The Serbian side of my family, however, still plays tambure all the time, we get together as a family at least once a week and jam for three or four hours. My family does play the American style instruments though I, being the pioneer, have been trying to save up to order a European instrument for some time. I can play all of the instruments, just some better than others, bugarija (my first) then prim.
Hrvoje, you have more contact in Croatia then I do, obviously. I've heard lots of names mentioned, and everybody here has their opinions, but I'm looking for a E Kontra, and E prim, and I'm curious, who you think is the best majstori for the dollar? I want to order something, but I can't play before I buy, and as a musician that kinda bothers me. So I'm hesitant, but I don't want to wait till I can someday go to Novi Sad or Vojvodina or wherever, who knows when that will be.
Well there's my answer, story, and question. Hvala.
And one other thing...where do you American guys get trzalice? Who sells those in America or ships them from Euro?
I have emailed a couple people I've found, but have heard nothing back.
Hi, PozzSka and welcome to this forum...
Well, since I'm the only one from Croatia participating in this thread, maybe it should be named - "Ask Hrvoje" :D
Thanks for the explanation about decorated American-made tamburas. It is a really logical and understandable explanation.
As far as tambura majstori go, I really wouldn't know who has the best price/quality ratio. I guess old Bocan kontras are most highly esteemed among tamburasi (kontrasi), but you can also get a new instrument for a reasonable price and of good quality. I personaly own a kontra which is kind of a copy of a Bocan and was made by Mr. Brodaric from Popovaca. It's really good value for money. You can see the pic and hear a sample ("Winter sky" intro) here - http://www.forum.tambura.com.hr/showthread.php?t=92
Maybe some primasi can write more about prims... Saky?
Pozzka,
You might want to contact Lado...originally from Europe. He lives in New York City....has been to several extravaganza's.....I bought two e-prims from him..... and others from the states have his prim. When I bought mine, he had multiple prims for me to try so I could pick the one i liked.
If you call, tell him Rudy from Buffalo sent you to him.
Ladislav Lado Krklec
Home: 718 733-9193
Cell: 917 676-3156
Rudyk,
are his instruments more of the European style? The finished look, sound, feel, etc.?
I think everyone missed my other question...where do you buy trzalice? I fished my way through some of the other threads here (sve na hrvatski) and I can't read them, and there has been talk about some stuff, but i can't find a place to order them. I have one given to me by a friend, and if i lost it I would have to play with a guitar pick.
Help me molim, hvala.
Hm... Yes, quality horn picks are a problem here in Croatia and I guess even bigger overseas. I have a similar problem like you. I have 1 (one) good horn pick for kontra and if I lose it I'm stuck with a plastic pick.
The problem is that there isn't an organized trade of making horn picks and there isn't one or more established manufacturers. Tamburasi make their own picks once they find a horn of good quality and then they give them (sell them) to their fellow tamburasi.
On the thread "prim i trzalicu tražim" there's info about a guy who allegedly sells deer horn picks he gets from Serbia - the prices are - prim 15€, basprim 20€, kontra 25€. His e-mail is felipe@vip.hr I don't know anything about that, it's just a translation of marek's post about picks. Marek also says that the picks are large, they don't wear off and they can last up to three years (if you don't lose it, lol).
So, maybe you should e-mail this Felipe and get more info.
Pozzska,
Yes his instruments are European style.
But like all instruments, try them before you buy, look for the "sweet" one.
And be aware of the width of the fret board and thickness of the neck. They can vary between makers...start to figure our what sizes work best for you.
As for picks, I have been using Delrin material. But it is very specific how to make them. This is a very hard plastic....used for many things...like gears in fishing rods.... also, probably used for the Delrin brand name guitar pick that has been around for years. I have found the thickness needs to be about 105 thousands for it be hard enough. The taper, length, and width all affect the playing ability. Once you get what works for you, be meticulous in always making them the same.
Delrin wears out very slowly, and does not give you burrs that you have to
keep sanding off. Night quite as bright sounding as horn...but close enough.
You can buy it in 1foot x 1foot sheets. I tried the .09375 thickness but that 10 thou makes a difference...buy thicker and sand down to 105-108 thou.
Or try the thinner if you want...i can tell the difference...but you may not.
Might cost you 10-$20 for 1x1. Cut with a hacksaw. Don't make your tapper at end too thin or it will come out sounding "Ticky".
The beauty of using this is you can make as many as you want and you can experiment until you find the size that works best for you. I used one length for over a year and then decided to try a little longer length ...so it was easy to make a new one...and now that is my new standard pick.
I actually have emailed him, and he told me he would email me if he got more...I'll guess I'll have to do some research and find some horn to make my own...any suggestions on type of horn/bone/material/tools to use??
Hrvoje, have you ever heard of the majstora F. Cindric? He lives in Croatia, and I have some pictures of his instruments, but I was curious if you have ever heard good or bad about him? Thanks for letting me pick your brain.
Thanks for the info Rudyk, you have any pics of your tambure?
I just read on Dusanu Rajkovicu website that he sells trzalice, so I guess one could email him about them. He's in Serbia (Novi Sad or Subotica, I can't remember which).
www.tambura.org
@PozzSka - I don't have a clue about making bone picks, but there is a column on tamburaland where Joe Kirin gives more info about it - http://www.tamburaland.com/column/column.html (the May 31st, 2002 entry).
About majstor Cindric - I've never heard of him or anything about him... But I'm not that informed so maybe somebody else heard something about him, but as you probably noticed people are generally pretty uninterested in writing anything in English. :rolleyes: So, you're pretty much stuck with me. :D
Rajkovic is actually from Sremska Mitrovica, south of Novi Sad. If you're interested in geography and maps - here's a map of Vojvodina - http://www.zolitas.co.yu/karta_vojvodine.jpg
OK, close enough...
I know Joe, in his post he mentions slaughter houses for bone...I know a guy that runs one. Awesome.
Hvala puno, Hrvoje.
Ziveli "Ask Hrvoje!"
Tominellay
08-12-2006, 17:48
Hi, all...
Hrvoje, I appreciate you keeping the English-language communication continuing here. Thank you!
A few weeks ago I asked for help in acquiring the score for the Njikos piece "Tri Ruze"; Ivo in San Diego was kind enough to email the singer's chart. I'm still in need of the orchestral score, though, and I will certainly appreciate any help in obtaining it!
Possibly in connection to this, I have recently been sent a couple email messages from locations in Croatia (the e-addresses included .hr). Those messages were intercepted by computer security for possible viruses, and I did not receive what was sent! So, if some have attempted to send me musical scores, I appreciate it, and I ask that they re-send; perhaps there can be a better result...
Here's a question: There's a video clip on YouTube making the rounds, showing a tambura band of young guys, and featuring a celo player...It's a terrific clip...Who are these guys?
I wish you all a Happy and Holy Christmas, and Happy Birthday to Saky, in English, of course...
Hey, Tominellay!
I'm trying to keep things going here and I'm glad that you guys also greatly contribute. Too bad that nobody else from the Croatian side participates, but hey, it's their loss. :D
This is also a very good thing for me to brush up my English and stay "in shape", 'cause I don't have a lot of opportunity to use the language and I'm studying it and will perhaps one day make a living out of it.
As far as the clip you're mentioning goes - is it this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m0mfuq9nRYc - the guys on this clip I crosslinked are Tamburasi za dusu, a band that no longer exists, but Kruno (the cello player) is now a part of NHT.
Tominellay
08-12-2006, 18:45
Yes, that's the clip! Tamburasi za dusu...That was a nice band; and congrats to Kruno, bravo!
Your English is excellent, Hrvoje, and it has improved in the several years you've been posting on tamburica-related web sites...
Anyone who can share the Tri Ruze score may email a file to me here:
tom.yeseta@warnerbros.com
Your English is excellent, Hrvoje, and it has improved in the several years you've been posting on tamburica-related web sites...
Why, thank you, Sir, you are most kind. I do try my very best to master the exquisite English language (these two sentences uttered with a British accent :D ). I had the opportunity to spend a couple of months studying and living in Brno (the Czech Republic) and I can guarantee that the best way to improve you language skills is to live abroad. You're forced to use the language and you're bound to improve your foreign language.
Unfortunately, until now I haven't had the opportunity to visit an English-speaking country and while my written English is ok, my spoken English sucks and I'm always disappointed when I have to speak English and I usually use the most basic words and grammar. :rolleyes: :down:
Hey, Tominellay, you work for WB? Cool! :cool: What exactly is your job there?
EDIT: About TZD (Tamburasi za dusu), there are a lot of their mp3s on our gmail account. Did you check that out? If you need the password for it, you can PM me.
I wish you all a Happy and Holy Christmas, and Happy Birthday to Saky, in English, of course...
Five more days, but appreciate it..thanks :)
_maestro_
09-12-2006, 23:08
Bilo je zanimljivih diskusija, prije 2 godine..sad se to pretvorilo u mjesto za cestitanje rodjendana...
pa sretan ti rodjendan saky... ;)
T - 4 days.. :)
but hvala :)
Hey, US guys!
I stumbled upon an ad for this book purely by chance (in a paperback Elderly Instruments - www.elderly.com - my brother ordered from the States). Do you have any more first-hand info about this book? Maybe you have it or you've read it? It looks pretty interesting and I'm really interested in tambura history everywhere (Croatia, Europe in general, USA). I have a feeling it's pretty well written and put together.
If you don't have a clue what I'm talkin about (but I guess you do) - http://www.serbworldusa.com/TAMBURITZAAMERICA.html
http://elderly.com/also/books/items/654-1.htm
http://elderly.com/images/books/670/654-1.jpg
This thread is pretty dead (nice rhyming, Hrvoje :D ), but I see an occasional English-speaking member of this forum droping by and then leaving this forum... So, this thread is still open and I hope we can make it alive again... Any questions, comments, views and ideas how to make that happen? I was hoping to get some info about the book "Tamburitza America", but so far no luck in getting it...
I don't have any info other than I know the guy who wrote it...I've met the man several times, Milan Opacich. He is a great man. He makes instruments, plays them, arranges, etc. He's half Croatian, half Serbian. What kind of info are you looking for. The man is very intelligent, he is a historian of sorts.
Well, I was wondering if somebody has read it to give a short review... Mr Sinisa Leopold wrote a similar book (I don't own it and haven't read it either) - "Tambura u Hrvata"... So, I'm curious how did this "Tamburitza America" book succeed in the US-tambura circle, is it well-written, interesting?
Tominellay
11-01-2007, 21:19
I've seen this book; I'll comment on it later...
Hello! Well, I didn't even know for this thread on this forum ... but ... I kind of like speak on English, so ... I don't have nothing smart to say at the moment ... wonted to say hello to all :)
p.s. how is my English? :D
jor inglis gud, nid malo na gremr poraditi :)
jor inglis gud, nid malo na gremr poraditi :)
a dorbo sad ... i don't think about it when I have something to say ... I need to tipe very quick in that moment and grammar isn't that important then... :D
(inače nikad nisam učila gramatiku, uvijek sam po smislu nekom svom išla i čak imala uvijek 5 :), a fala Bogu učim već hm, 11 godina ingliš :D, al hvala na konstruktivnoj kritici ;) )
edit: vidim jednu greškicu u prvom postu, umjesto know ide knew, jelda?! a drugo sad ne vidim ... malo sam preumorna sad ... :D
My dear Trisha... You should pay more attention to the spelling (wont* want, tipe* type) and your grammar need some polishing, but I definitely appreciate your willingness to write and discuss in English. :top:
On the other hand, I am a little disappointed with saky's unwillingness to participate in the discussions in English here on this forum (even our English speaking tamburaši asked him to join the discussions here), but that's another story.
My dear Trisha... You should pay more attention to the spelling (wont* want, tipe* type) and your grammar need some polishing, but I definitely appreciate your willingness to write and discuss in English. :top:
On the other hand, I am a little disappointed with saky's unwillingness to participate in the discussions in English here on this forum (even our English speaking tamburaši asked him to join the discussions here), but that's another story.
Jel ti vidiš kolko je sati? jedva gledam, di sad još da pazim i na spelling i na grammar ... ajme mene joj ... :bonk: osim toga, i glava me rastura ... dobro bi mi došo jedan ovakav čekić da se udarim po njoj, možda bi prestala ?! btw. sorry šta ovo nije na engleskom, previše sam imala za napisat da bi pisala na njemu, bilo bi puno previše pogrešaka ;)
It appears that we've lost our English-speaking members who occasionally visited this forum to check what's new and replied to this thread... But I'm glad that some of our bilingual US based members (guests) who can read Croatian read this forum, but are mostly too shy to participate in the discussions in Croatian. I'm glad that we have a (relatively) new member from Canada - circa_flex; kolovoda from Australia etc. :top:
It appears that we've lost our English-speaking members who occasionally visited this forum to check what's new and replied to this thread... But I'm glad that some of our bilingual US based members (guests) who can read Croatian read this forum, but are mostly too shy to participate in the discussions in Croatian. I'm glad that we have a (relatively) new member from Canada - circa_flex; kolovoda from Australia etc. :top:
Š'a se praviš Englez? :krez:
Even though you might be right about running this English sub-forum, my opinion is: every Croatian-rooted tamburaš from the New World should use his(her) mothertongue, and that is, naturally, Croatian. Or try using it, at least.
Cheerz bro :top:
:D
Djuroslav
21-03-2007, 15:12
You're right, Longee. Everyone from the 'New World' SHOULD try to use his 'mothertongue', but NOT HERE. After all, this is the ENGLISH sub-forum... :krez:
You're right, Longee. Everyone from the 'New World' SHOULD try to use his 'mothertongue', but NOT HERE. After all, this is the ENGLISH sub-forum... :krez:
Hello Djuroslav!
That's exactly why I put need for this sub-forum's existence under a question mark... So "NOT HERE" isn't an issue here really. :krez:
I don't have anything against it though, and I'm not worried about it whatsoever. ;)
Cheers, Djuro, we're really glad to have you here, even though we would like more American tamburaši to join our little discussion group. :top:
Longee, how about Canadian tamburasi ??
haha
Longee, how about Canadian tamburasi ??
haha
Sorry, I meant NTL (National Tamburitza League :krez:) when I wrote "American".
I apologize, Dreamers. :o
:D
thecroat
27-03-2007, 17:34
Canadian tamburas right here ;) lol
Djuroslav
28-03-2007, 01:34
Thank you for the kind welcome (cheers) Longee. Actually, the only difference between 'American' tamburaši, and 'Canadian' tamburaši, is that the Canadians drink a little bit more pivo than we do... ;)
I was writing mostly about narodnjaci (Serbian contemporary turbo folk music) that's all over Croatian discos and nightclubs and our youth (and mobsters) are goin' crazy over it. I wonder if the same (or similar) situation is in the States...?
Hrvoje, Sorry I missed this post from a while back...I see this a lot with the Serbian people in my area (Cleveland, Ohio). A lot of the novi dosli think tambura is this old fashioned style of folk music that is boring etc etc...I'm only 23 and I would love to find guys or girls my own age to play tambura, but i can' find any in Cleveland becasue the young people listen to what some call "boom boom" music, drums, electric bass, guitars, accordians, etc.
So the young folk coming to America from Serbia (I'm both Serb and Cro so I know both) are only interested in the pop music and not tambure. It's sad. I want to play tambura. it seesm the Croatians in America are more organized than the Serbians.
Also remember we were talking about trzalice.... www.deligopicks.com sells bone picks and plastic versions of bone picks, I have tried their plastic version os of bone picks, and they work and sound pretty close to bone. I think it is three bone picks for 25 USD. that's about what 18 euro's? they also sell string sets,a nd other things...the website is run by a tamburasi here in Chicago, IL, USA, Steve.
Hrvoje,
I was watching your bands videos on youtube and you guys are sounding great man!
I wanted to ask you, who made your kontra? I know you mentioned it a while back and gave that clip of a song jerry did as the example for the tone (right? or am I mistaken?) I was just curious and does he have a website or email.
(I'm trying to sell my drum set so I can buy a new kontra, and I really like yours.)
Thanks.
His kontra is Jovanovic from Kikinda a.k.a. Zoran Gojmerac - Kocka (The Cube) :krez:
sorry Hrvoje, moram zajebavat malo, dosadno mi :)
His kontra is Jovanovic from Kikinda a.k.a. Zoran Gojmerac - Kocka (The Cube) :krez:
sorry Hrvoje, moram zajebavat malo, dosadno mi :)
I thought it was Vidakovic from somewhere-over-the-rainbow Backa. :krez:
The Cube :D:D:D
Živopisan momak... :D
Djuroslav
31-03-2007, 22:42
Longee,
I love your avatar. Looks as if you are a basprim man. Does your group have any recordings that we can listen to? :cool:
Longee,
I love your avatar. Looks as if you are a basprim man. Does your group have any recordings that we can listen to? :cool:
Djuro,
I am a basprim man, indeed. Unfortunately, I don't have (satisfying) recordings of my band I would like to share with you. :down:
But that WILL change, I promise.:)
BTW, I should change my avatar, 'cause I have another tambura now:D
Cheerz. :cool:
Djuroslav
01-04-2007, 19:13
Longee volunteered;
I should change my avatar, 'cause I have another tambura now
Yes, but do you have different SUNGLASSES as well? :top:
- How about some information concerning your band? How many members? What's your personnel? Do you guys play much?
:bend:
Longee volunteered;
Yes, but do you have different SUNGLASSES as well? :top:
- How about some information concerning your band? How many members? What's your personnel? Do you guys play much?
:bend:
I change my sunglasses every now and then. :krez:
Some information about my "banda": Tamburaški sastav "Javor" was founded in 1997. in Pula as first TS (not to mention ONLY ONE :krez:) in this area. I took some of my friends and made them tamburaši. That wasn't an easy task, but I've accomplished it and I'm very proud of it. Until few days ago, we were five-member band with prim, two basprims, kontra and bas.
I said "we were" 'cause the company I work for relocated me to Zagreb. I'm going overthere in a few days. I hope boys will continue the work I've started.
Phew... :)
Djuroslav
16-04-2007, 20:02
Do you guys call it a "bugarija", or a "kontra" over there? :gita:
Djuro, both terms are used and are "correct"... I personally prefer the term kontra and I guess that's the dominant term throughout Slavonia while in W and NW parts of Croatia people call it bugarija or beglajt... When I was playing a D-tuned Katulic instrument I called it "bugarija", but now I got an E-tuned instrument inspired by tamburas from Vojvodina and I call it kontra...
I once thought that if it's D then it's bugarija, if it's E then it is kontra, but that's an "urban myth"...
Bottom line is - call it "kontra", "bugarija", "beglajt", but don't call it "guitar" :mad: :down: That is, explain to the people who are referring to your kontra as a "kinda strange guitar" that it is NOT a guitar... ;)
Djuroslav
17-04-2007, 01:03
Thank you for that explanation, Hrvoje. Of course I would NEVER let anyone call my ax a 'guitar', without first explaining the difference to them.
How about you other rhythm players out there? Do you refer to YOUR instrument as a KONTRA, or a BUGARIJA? Is there a geographical preference as Hrvoje suggests? I'd be very interested to know... :cool:
I think that in my region (Hrvatsko Zagorje) people like to call it BEGLAJT! My grandfather told me that as long as he remembers they've called it beglajt... :rolleyes:
Even though you might be right about running this English sub-forum, my opinion is: every Croatian-rooted tamburaš from the New World should use his(her) mothertongue, and that is, naturally, Croatian. Or try using it, at least.
Hey to all! Till now I was just reading about things, but here I really have to ask that question: And if your roots are not Croatian and you're still interested? I mean I try to learn Croatian, but that's quite hard if you actually don't have any connection... (I'm from North Germany)
So thanks for this subforum!
Hey to all! Till now I was just reading about things, but here I really have to ask that question: And if your roots are not Croatian and you're still interested? I mean I try to learn Croatian, but that's quite hard if you actually don't have any connection... (I'm from North Germany)
So thanks for this subforum!
Very good question.
P.S. How are you connected with Croatia and tambura if I may ask?Maybe by marriage?
dkranjce
26-04-2007, 10:16
Very good question.
P.S. How are you connected with Croatia and tambura if I may ask?Maybe by marriage?
Sorry, al' I must odgovorit na hrvatskom...:rolleyes:
Slučajno znam da se radi o djevojci koja 15-ak godina svira violinu (čini mi se i da je srednju završila), malo je lektorirala njemački prijevod stranice (uglavnom samo članove; odličan posao Danice:top: ) pomalo uči svirat prim, ide joj jaaako dobro i veze nema ni porijeklom niti udajom sa Hrvatskom...
Zanimljivo mi je kad se stranci "navuku" na tambure:top:
p.s. sorry na mom bad English:o
Hey to all! Till now I was just reading about things, but here I really have to ask that question: And if your roots are not Croatian and you're still interested? I mean I try to learn Croatian, but that's quite hard if you actually don't have any connection... (I'm from North Germany)
So thanks for this subforum!
I apologize for that. I assumed (apparently wrong) that Forum's purpose is to gather all Croatian (or at least South Slavic) tambura players that should use Croatian language. :bonk:
Mea culpa, mea culpa, mea maxima culpa :o
PS: Even though I have explicitely suggested that every Croatian-rooted tamburaš from the New World should use his(her) mothertongue, and that is, naturally, Croatian. Or try using it, at least.and "every Croatian-rooted tamburaš" doesn't mean "every tamburaš", does it?:krez:
Djuroslav
02-05-2007, 16:40
Longee,
Did you move yet? If so, are you still going to play with your group in Pula? Or are you contemplating joining/starting a 'new' orchestra in Zagreb?
:bend:
Longee,
Did you move yet? If so, are you still going to play with your group in Pula? Or are you contemplating joining/starting a 'new' orchestra in Zagreb?
:bend:
I moved already, thanks for asking. Unfortunately, I quit playing with TS Javor, since it would be very hard to continue managing a band when one has as tight schedule as I have.
Few days ago, I've joined TS Legolas from Zagreb, on everyone's satisfaction, hopefully :krez:.
When I grow up:D, perhaps I could play in a great orchestra such as ZG Tamburaši, but until then, this will do. :)
Damn, my English is very bad these days, I could actually use some practice.:bonk:
So long, Djuroslav;)
I apologize for that. I assumed (apparently wrong) that Forum's purpose is to gather all Croatian (or at least South Slavic) tambura players that should use Croatian language. :bonk:
Mea culpa, mea culpa, mea maxima culpa :o
PS: Even though I have explicitely suggested that and "every Croatian-rooted tamburaš" doesn't mean "every tamburaš", does it?:krez:
Ok, so there is a point to write some things in English, or at least have the possibility to ask questions...
Ok, so there is a point to write some things in English, or at least have the possibility to ask questions in English...
All you gotta do is ask - and your question will be answered... Or at least I'll try since most of the people aren't to keen to write using the English language.
There is an announcement for some concert in Zagreb with 100 tamburase or sth. Since I didn't quite understand :confused: What exactly is it and who is going to be there?
To Trabi:
How are you connected with Croatia and tambura if I may ask?Maybe by marriage?
Well, I'm here in this nice country for a couple of months (I'll never forget them...) and I will be here for another couple :), trying to take everything with me I can and hopefully be able to understand more of your crazy language in the end than I do now (usually I'm missing the most important things in the conversation :bonk: ).
And no, not by marriage (though I get that question quite often).
Djuroslav
03-05-2007, 15:38
Longee or Hrvoje,
Who, or what is ZG Tamburaši? :mesic:
@Djuroslav - ZG tamburaši (Zagrebački tamburaši) iz a newly formed tambura orchestra which consists of more experienced musicians like Šuša, Miki, Jinx (I hope these names mean something to you, they played (or still play) in Ex Panonia), Miroslav Navračić (accordion) and some talented young blood (some are members of this forum like jaksa, patos, gazy). Oh, yeah, Jerry is also a member of Zagrebački tamburaši.
Interesting thing is that aside of standard tambura instruments they also have a clarinetist, accordionist, sometimes tambura bass and double bass (bowed) together and a cimbalom...
You can check out their website - http://www.zagrebackitamburasi.com/index.html ("O nama" is the "about" section so you can see all the members there).
They appeared at the Hrvoje Majić Memorial Concert that was held a couple days ago and here is their performance - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DQjRguHYRDY
@MaRu - The concert with 100 tamburaši is actually officially called "Šokačka rapsodija" and will take place in the Lisinski concert hall in Zagreb on May 22nd. There will be about 130 tamburaši from several Croatian cities performing an interesting program (classical, folk, rock). I didn't quite understand if you are in Croatia (Zagreb?) now (or will you be at the time of the concert), but if you can, I definitely recommend you to go and see the concert...
I didn't quite understand if you are in Croatia (Zagreb?) now (or will you be at the time of the concert), but if you can, I definitely recommend you to go and see the concert...
I'm not in Zagreb, but maybe can arrange to get there... Maaaaaaybe
All you gotta do is ask - and your question will be answered... Or at least I'll try since most of the people aren't to keen to write using the English language.
I'm here too. Even though my English isn't that good as Hrvoje's :krez:.
@ MaRu: So, here's the drill; you ask, we answer. If we know the answer, that is. If we don't, google IS your friend :D.
Sorry, J/K :)
@longee:
Thanks, I will surely ask couple questions... Like that: where do you guys get your strings? Where do tamburasi in Germany get their strings? Well, I know how to get them for a violin, but for a Prim?
@longee:
Thanks, I will surely ask couple questions... Like that: where do you guys get your strings? Where do tamburasi in Germany get their strings? Well, I know how to get them for a violin, but for a Prim?
I've tried whole bunch of string brands and for now, I'm stuck with "Franić" strings: relatively inexpensive but pretty darn good ones. "Postonjski" strings are also very good, but much more expensive. These two brands are my favourite string brands for tambura (basprim, that is :krez:).
Other two kinds I dislike are "Rajković" and "Yotke" 'cause of unnatural feel of playing; too sharp for me (not the tone, the feel!:bonk:), like I'm pressing razor blades :D. Not very long lasting, too. :down:
This is a big IMHO though ;), as other may actually like brands I dislike.
Now the question pops up: how the hell will you buy "Franić" strings in Germany? I don't really know :krez:. You could try by mail, or find a person who goes to Croatia often or something. I get mine by mail. ;)
Best regards,
longee :)
Other two kids I dislike are "Rajković" and "Yotke" 'cause of unnatural feel of playing; too sharp for me (not the tone, the feel!:bonk:), like I'm pressing razor blades :D.
I know that feeling, had the same problem with some violin strings...
Thanks for the info, I'll probaply buy a bunch while I'm still here in Croatia, so I'll have some in store... :)
I renamed this thread from "English subforum" to "General thread" since it started as an effort to get an English subforum from the administrator and now that we have an English subforum this became the "General thread" since it's filled with all kinds of stuff and I don't have the motivation to try and sort it out in a more appropriate way... :bonk: :krez:
Btw, feel free to start more specific threads in English in this subforum...
circa_flex
16-05-2007, 03:04
Just wanted to say hi from Canada:)
Branx Tambure!
27-07-2007, 17:03
Hi, My name is Branko and im 17 yrs old! I love music...but I love Traditional Croatian music even more. Born in Australia! I am a spontaneouse person, but is very strict when it comes to music! I think i am a fairly good player in tambura instruments, although i have only been playing for such a short time. I Play...
D/E Prim
G/A Brac
D/E Brac
G/A Celo
Berde
Double Bass
Guitar
Mandolin
...I also play...
Gajde/Dude (Slavonske, Podravske/Bilogorske)
Diple (Hervegovacki, Dalmatinski)
Diplica
Frula
Dvojnice
Lijerice
Gusle
Drums
'Sing'...as you can see, i am quite occupied! :D
For a while now, i have been constructing a brac for a school assesment. Its almost finished now, just needs to get shined up!:D This has tought me how to make these instruments....and I hope to make some in the future!
Thats all i could probably think of!
- Branko
Hi, Branx and welcome to this forum!
Do you live in Australia? Do you have a tambura band or you play in a folklore group (or you only jam with tambura recordings)?
Is this you -> http://www.myspace.com/dj_branx ?
uff, jos jedan "multi instrumentalist"..ima njega na youtubeu pa pogledajte o cem se radi..ja takodjer sviram Bratec Martin na 3 milijuna instrumenata :bonk:
uff, jos jedan "multi instrumentalist"..ima njega na youtubeu pa pogledajte o cem se radi..ja takodjer sviram Bratec Martin na 3 milijuna instrumenata :bonk:
:D:D:D
Nešto kao ja, je li? :krez:
:D:D:D
Nešto kao ja, je li? :krez:
Otprilike :krez:
Otprilike :krez:
I ja tebe volim. :love:
:krez:
Branx Tambure!
28-07-2007, 10:16
Yep...thats me!
Djuroslav
07-08-2007, 23:37
Brats,
What is the origin of the word "Beglajt"? Is it the German word for 'Bugarija'? :help:
Brats,
What is the origin of the word "Beglajt"? Is it the German word for 'Bugarija'? :help:
Yo, Djuro!
You're on the right track, "Begleit" is a German word which means "accompaniment" -> http://www.websters-online-dictionary.org/translation/German/begleit
And in NW Croatia (mostly Zagorje AFAIK) they call the bugarija - beglajt... I don't know the exact storry, but it is the accompanying instrument and it makes logic, kinda... Pretty weird...
I've also did some googling and found that the term "beglajt" iz used in Czech where it means "accompaniment" (whether a rhythm guitar accomp. or a drum groove etc.)...
Don't know if I helped you, but God knows I tried... :D
Djuroslav
08-08-2007, 01:05
You certainly DID help, Hrvoje. Hvala, my man.
;);)
circa_flex
16-09-2007, 01:02
Came to say hi...even though I've been on here for a while:bonk: ...just to update the english forums a bit:D
Hello to you too.
Come to think of it I should post pics of my new tambura...right Hrvoje?
Hello to you too.
Come to think of it I should post pics of my new tambura...right Hrvoje?
Right, Nathan! :top:
circa_flex
07-01-2008, 19:47
Any good bands from croatia coming to ontario or around anytime soon?
I have heard nothing. It's actually pretty dead right now. My mom's sastav is on a break of sorts (no gigs for a few months), I haven't been able to find any musicians in my area (my kontras had heart surgery so he's out for a little bit), nothin' goin' on.
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